NINAUINA MAI O THOMAS POOL I KA PONO MARY LOU O'KENNEDY NO KA ROS TAPESTRY – HE PAPA NO KA MANAO 27 MAKAHIKI I KA MOOLELO O MEDIEVAL O ROSS HOU AME KA HIKINA HEMA O IRELAND.
Thomas Pool: He aha kāu e haʻi mai ai iā mākou e pili ana i kou kūlana? He aha kāu i huki ai i ka papahana Ros Tapestry?
Mary Lou O'Kennedy: He kama'āina wau ma New Ross, County Wexford, kahi i hoʻokumu ʻia ai nā tapestries. Loaʻa iaʻu kahi kūlana pilikino i ka hana hoʻomohala kaiāulu, a ma kaʻu ʻoihana, ma mua, ua hana wau i ka ʻoihana ma ke ʻano o ka hoʻomohala kaiāulu a me ka hoʻomohala kūloko. Ua komo nui au i nā papahana kaiaulu ma ke kaona, me ka hoʻomohala ʻana i ka Hale Keaka ʻo St Michael. Ua noi ʻia au ma 2020 e noho i ka papa o New Ross Needlecraft Ltd ʻo ia ka papa hoʻokele o ka Ros Tapestry. ʻO ia ka mea i huki ai iaʻu i ka papahana Ros Tapestry ma mua. Manaʻo wau he hana kupanaha kēia, e hōʻike ana i ka mōʻaukala a me ka hoʻoilina o ia wahi, a he ʻāpana noʻeau kupaianaha wale nō ia, me ka nani o nā kiʻi paʻi i pena ʻia, kahi i kūkulu ʻia ai ka tapestry, a e hōʻike ana i ka hana kupanaha o ka humuhumu ʻauʻau.
No laila, he hui kupaianaha o ka mōʻaukala, ka hana noʻeau a me ka hana lima o ia wahi. Me he mea lā e hoʻohuli i nā kānaka; e huki mai ana ia lakou. He paʻakikī ke wehewehe maoli i ka ʻike a hiki i kou hele ʻana a ʻike iā lākou nou iho. No laila, manaʻo wau he mea pono ke lilo i ʻāpana o ka papahana. Ma koʻu kuleana ma ke ʻano he Luna, ke hoʻāʻo nei au e pale i ka tapestry a hōʻoia i ka hoʻokumu ʻia ʻana o kahi hōʻikeʻike ma ke kaona no nā malihini a pau, inā paha lākou i loko o ke kiʻi a i ʻole ka mōʻaukala, a me ka lehulehu, e ʻike a hauʻoli.
TP: Hana ʻoe i kekahi o ka humuhumu ʻana iā ʻoe iho?
MLOK: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole au, akā ʻo kaʻu mea i hana ai i ke kauwela ʻo ia ke kōkua i ka loaʻa ʻana o kahi haʻawina liʻiliʻi mai Creative Ireland a me ka ʻaha kūkā kalana kūloko e hele aku i ke kaiāulu, e paipai i nā poʻe hou aʻe e aʻo i ka hana. A ua hoʻokomo mākou i nā lālā o nā kaiāulu hou mai ia wahi a me nā poʻe e hoʻomaka ana i ko lākou ola ma ia wahi. No laila, loaʻa iā mākou nā mea komo mai nā wahi a pau, mai Nigeria, a me Bangladesh, a me ke kaiāulu kūloko. Ua hele au i kēlā mau papa a hoʻomaka wau e aʻo i ka hana ʻana i ka hili ʻana; ʻO kēia ka mea i hāʻawi mai iaʻu i kahi kiʻekiʻe hou o ka mahalo no ka hana no ka mea, no loko mai o kā mākou hoʻoilina. No ke aʻo ʻana i ka hana, hāʻawi iā ʻoe i ka mahalo hou i ke akamai e hana ai i nā kiʻi i loko o ka tapestry.
ʻO ka poʻe humuhumu e hana ana i ka tapestry e ʻoi aku ka ʻoi aku o ka 'pena kiʻi' ma mua o ka humuhumu ʻana, no ka mea, pono ia i ka humuhumu e koho i ke aka kūpono o ka hulu hipa, a e hoʻohana i nā humuhumu ma kahi ʻaoʻao, e hōʻike i ka neʻe ʻana o ka tapestry. Hiki ke hoʻohana ʻia nā humuhumu no ka hana ʻana i kahi hopena 3D a hāʻawi i nā ʻano leʻaleʻa like ʻole i ke kiʻi a lākou e wili ai.
He mea wehe maka maoli ia ke aʻo ʻoe i ka wili a ʻike i ka paʻakikī o ka hana i komo i loko. ʻAʻole wau e kapa iaʻu iho he mea humuhumu, akā ke aʻo nei au. I koʻu aʻo ʻana, mahalo nui au i ka hana nui a nā mea humuhumu 180 i hāʻawi i ko lākou manawa ma ke ʻano he mau mea manawaleʻa a ua hana ma nā panela tapestry 15 mai ka makahiki 1998. Ua aʻo ʻia kā lākou hana i ka wā lōʻihi, a ʻo ka hapa nui o lākou mai ka Kilkenny-Wexford-Waterford-Carlow wahi. ʻO ka hapa nui o nā wāhine akamai, me nā kāne ʻelua e hāʻawi manawaleʻa ana i nā makahiki, akā ʻo ka hapa nui o nā wahine, nāna i lawe i kā lākou mau talena a me ka makemake i kēia papahana.
TP: ʻO ka mea maʻamau, ʻaʻole i hōʻike nui ʻia ka hana wili (me ka hili ʻana, ka wili, a me ka crochet) i ka canon mōʻaukala. Pehea ʻoe e ʻike ai i ka wahi o ka hana nila ma ka mōʻaukala moʻomeheu Irish?
MLOK: I koʻu manaʻo, ua pāʻani ka hana kui i ko kākou hoʻoilina moʻomeheu a puni ka mōʻaukala. Ua hōʻailona mākou i ka lā ʻo Bridgid no ka laʻana. ʻO ka pahu humuhumu a Bridgid kekahi ʻāpana o ka hōʻikeʻike o kāna mau mea ma Glastonbury. Hoʻi ka moʻomeheu i ko mākou moʻolelo moʻomeheu i ka ʻIlelani Kalikiano kahiko. ʻO Crewel embroidery, ke ʻano a mākou e hoʻohana ai no ka Ros Tapestry, he kumu i hiki ʻole ke ʻike piha ʻia ma o ka mōʻaukala; ʻAʻohe oʻu manaʻo he kuʻikahi ma kona kumu. Ua hoʻohana ʻia ka hana Crewel i ka medieval Bayeux Tapestry, ka mea hoʻoikaika pololei no ka Ros Tapestry, ka mea i hōʻike i ka moʻolelo o ka naʻi ʻana o Norman o ʻEnelani.
ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ka hapa nui o ka hana a nā wahine, a me kā lākou kuleana i ka hana noʻeau, ʻike ʻole ʻia i loko o kā mākou moʻolelo moʻomeheu. Hiki paha i kēlā me kēia wahine mai kekahi ʻāina o ka honua ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hana nila. ʻO ka hili ʻana a i ʻole ka humuhumu ʻana a i ʻole ke kuʻi a i ʻole ka ulana ʻana, ʻaneʻane like ke ʻano o ka wili ma nā moʻomeheu a me nā hoʻoilina. Eia naʻe, hoʻohaʻahaʻa ʻia a mahalo ʻole ʻia. ʻO kahi ʻāpana o kā mākou papahana, e kūkulu ma luna o ka hoʻoilina o ka Ros Tapestry a me ka hoʻomau ʻana i ka moʻomeheu o ka hana humuhumu ʻauʻau i ka wā e hiki mai ana, ʻo ia ka wehe ʻana i kahi kula o ka hana kui. Ke hana nei mākou i kahi noiʻi kūpono ma ke kumu o ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e kūkulu i kahi hanauna e hiki mai ana no kēia hana.
TP: Ua ʻike hou ʻia ʻo New Ross i ka manaʻo hou e like me ke ʻano o ka moʻolelo a Claire Keegan, Na Mea Li'ili'i e like me keia (Grove Press, 2021), a me ka hoʻololi kiʻiʻoniʻoni o ka inoa like, me Cillian Murphy. Pehea ʻoe e ʻike ai i ka Ros Tapestry i loko o ka mōʻaukala kūloko a me ka moʻolelo aupuni?
MLOK: Manaʻo wau he wahi hoihoi loa ʻo New Ross. Ua like ia me kahi ʻīpuka i loko o ka nui o ka mōʻaukala o ʻIlani. Hōʻike ka Ros Tapestry i ka moʻolelo o ka hōʻea ʻana o nā Noremana i ʻIlelani, ko lākou pae ʻana i ka peninsula Hook, ko lākou hele ʻana i Ross, a laila ma Kilkenny a me Dublin. Nui nā hanana mai ko mākou wā kahiko i hana ʻia ma Ross a me nā wahi a puni. He moʻolelo ʻē aʻe ka moʻolelo ʻo Claire Keegan e pili ana i kahi wā ʻokoʻa o kā mākou moʻolelo, akā hōʻike ka tapestry i ke koʻikoʻi a me ke koʻikoʻi o Ross i mālama ʻia i ka wā waena.
ʻO kekahi papahana a mākou e hana nei i ka manawa like ʻo ia ka Na Loo Hoalohaloha tapestry, e hai aku i ka moolelo o ko kakou mau mea i hala iho nei, a me ko New Ross pili ana me Peresidena John F. Kennedy. Ua like ia me kahi microcosm o ʻIlelani, nā mea a pau i hana ʻia ma kēia wahi a me nā pilina a puni ka honua i hoʻokumu ʻia a me nā moʻolelo āna e haʻi ai. Manaʻo wau he mea kupanaha kēlā moʻolelo.
TP: Ma ke ʻano he Luna Hoʻomalu, hiki iā ʻoe ke alakaʻi iā mākou i ka moʻolelo o ka papahana a pehea i hiki mai ai?
MLOK: ʻO ka papahana ka hihiʻo o Reverend Paul Mooney. ʻO ia ke kahu hou o ka Halepule o Saint Mary ma New Ross, i kūkulu mua ʻia e William Marshall a me kāna wahine ʻo Isabel, nā haku Noremana mua o New Ross. Makemake ʻo ia e haʻi i ka moʻolelo o ia moʻolelo. Ua ʻike ʻo ia i ka Bayeux Tapestry a makemake ʻo ia e hana hou i New Ross. Ua hui ʻo ia me kekahi mau mea pena kiʻi kūloko, a ua noho ʻo ia ma Ann Bernstorff, nāna i hoʻolālā i nā kiʻi paʻi kiʻi mua no ka poʻe humuhumu. Ua pena ʻo ia i nā panela mua 15 e hōʻike ana i ka mōʻaukala kūloko, e hoʻomaka ana me nā Celts, ma o ka lanakila ʻana o Norman ma ʻIlelani.
Ua hana pū ʻo Paul me Ann a me kāna kaikamahine, ʻo Alexis, ʻo ia ke kumu aʻoaʻo o nā mea humuhumu mua me Mairin Dunne. Hoʻopuka lākou i nā noi i nā hui wahine like ʻole e komo. ʻO ka papa mua a lākou i hoʻopau ai ʻo ia ka mea e pili ana i ka Hook Lighthouse. A ua hoʻomau ia i nā makahiki he 27 i hala. Hoʻopau ʻia ka papa hope, me nā kikoʻī liʻiliʻi e hoʻopau ʻia. E hoʻokuʻu ʻia kēlā ʻāpana hope i kēia makahiki. He puke kā mākou e pili ana i ka mōʻaukala o ka papahana a me nā wahine i kōkua i ka hana ʻana i kapa ʻia He Moʻolelo i haʻi ʻia ma ka Thread, e pili ana i ka ʻuhane o ke kaiāulu, ka launa pū ʻana, ka ʻaoʻao pilikanaka, a me ke ʻano o ka pono i loaʻa i nā kānaka ma kēia hana.
Ua hoʻolako kālā ʻia ka papahana i nā makahiki e nā mea kūʻai like ʻole, a me nā poʻe he nui i hāʻawi kālā pū kekahi. Ua kākoʻo ʻia kēlā me kēia papa e kekahi kahu, a ua loaʻa pū iā mākou ke kālā a me ke kākoʻo mai Wexford County Council, akā ʻo ka hapa nui ua kākoʻo ʻia mākou e nā kākoʻo pilikino.
Ua ʻike koke ʻia e Rev Mooney ua lilo ka papahana i mea ʻoi aku ka nui ma mua o ka hiki ke hoʻokipa ʻia e kāna halepule, a ʻoi aku hoʻi ma mua o kona manaʻo mua. Ua ʻōlelo kekahi o ka ʻAha Hoʻoilina i hiki ke manaʻo ʻia ʻo ia kekahi o nā hoʻoilina moʻomeheu nui loa o Ireland o ka 21.st kenekulia.
TP: Ke hana mau nei nā Stitchers mai nā makahiki 2000 e hoʻopau i ka Ros Tapestry. Me 14 o na paneli he 15 o ka tapestry i pau i keia manawa, heaha na manao no ka hana i pau?
MLOK: Ua hoʻopaʻa ʻia nā paneli i hoʻopaʻa ʻia ma Kilkenny Castle i nā makahiki ʻehā i hala iho nei, mai ka maʻi maʻi, i ka wā e neʻe ai mākou iā lākou, no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hoʻokipa i ka hele ʻana o ka nohona. I kēia manawa ke kūkulu ʻia nei he Norman Center hou no New Ross, kahi e waiho ʻia ai ka tapestry i ka pau ʻana. Ua lōʻihi kēia ma mua o ka mea i manaʻo mua ʻia, akā naʻe, ua hoʻi hou lākou i New Ross i kēia manawa.
ʻO ka manaʻo, e hōʻike mākou iā lākou a hiki i ko lākou neʻe ʻana i ko lākou home mau ma ka Hale Hōʻikeʻike Norman hou; ʻO ka wehe ʻana i manaʻo ʻia he manawa ma 2027. Ke hāpai ʻia nei kēlā papahana e Wexford County Council a me Fáilte Ireland, no ka mea, ma 2027 aia kahi ʻano hoʻolauleʻa ʻEulopa-ākea o William the Conqueror, nāna i alakaʻi i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Noremana i ʻEnelani, a ua hōʻike ʻia kāna mau hana i ka Bayeux Tapestry, e hōʻike i ka makahiki 1000 o kona lā hānau. Aia nā hanana ma Normandy, Ireland, ʻEnelani, a me Sicily - ma nā wahi a pau i lanakila ai nā Noremana. No laila, e wehe ʻia ke kikowaena hou ma ke ʻano he ʻāpana o ia mau hoʻolauleʻa, akā a hiki i kēlā manawa, e hoʻopaʻa ʻia ka Ros Tapestry ma ke keʻena hōʻikeʻike o ke kikowaena Dunbrody Famine Ship Experience ma New Ross.
ʻO Mary Lou O'Kennedy ka luna o New Ross Needlecraft Ltd.
