Nīnauele ʻo MANUELA PACELLA iā PAUL O'NEILL e pili ana i kāna hana hoʻokolokolo a me kāna alakaʻi ARTISTIC AT PUBLICS IN HELSINKI.
Manuela Pacella: Kuhi ʻia kāu hana e nā makemake lehulehu e hoʻopili ʻia. ʻAe like wau me ʻoe ʻo ka wehewehe ʻana o kahi 'curator oriented research' hiki ke hoʻololi. Hoʻohui ʻoe i nā ʻāpana like ʻole o kāu noiʻi e like me ka 'curatorial' - he aha ke ʻano o kēia huaʻōlelo iā ʻoe?
Paul O'Neill: Nui nā paio e pili ana i ka 'curatorial' i hoʻokani ʻia i nā kūkā kamaʻilio ʻana i ka waena waena o 2000: Ua kamaʻilio ʻo Irit Rogoff e pili ana i ka curatorial ma ke ʻano he 'manaʻo koʻikoʻi' ʻaʻole e wikiwiki e hoʻokomo iā ia iho, akā wehe ʻia i ka manawa ; Ua kūkākūkā ʻo Maria Lind i ka curatorial ma ke ʻano o ka mea i ʻike ʻia ma mua; Ua hoʻokumu ʻo Beatrice von Bismarck i ka curatorial ma ke ʻano he mau wahi o ke kūkākūkā ʻana; ʻoiai ʻo Emily Pethick i wehewehe i ka curatorial e ʻae ana i nā mea e hui pū i ke kaʻina o ka hoʻokō. Ua ʻike wau i kēia mau manaʻo nui ʻehā, i ka hōʻoia ʻana i ka hōʻike ma ke ʻano he hana noiʻi noiʻi. Manaʻo wau aia ke kahu ma nā ʻaoʻao āpau o kaʻu hana ma ke ʻano he kumu, mea kākau, mea noiʻi, mea hana hōʻike, mea hoʻonohonoho hanana, luna hoʻokele a pēlā aku. Akā ke hoʻohana nei au i ka curatorial ma ke ʻano he ʻano o ka manawa i paio ʻia - ʻaʻole i hōʻike piha ʻia a kūkulu ʻia paha - kahi e hopu ai i nā ʻano hana curatorial i hopena ʻole i nā hōʻike, nā mea a me nā ʻano kumuhana. Hiki i nā hōʻike ke lilo i hopena hopena, akā manaʻo wau ʻo ka hana hōʻike hōʻike wale nō kahi ʻāpana o ka hōkū curatorial.
MP: Maliʻa paha hiki iā ʻoe ke kūkākūkā i kāu puke e hiki mai ana, Curating Ma hope o ka Honua: Nā Roadmaps no kēia manawa (hoʻoponopono ʻia me Lucy Steeds, Mick Wilson a me Simon Sheikh)?
PO'N: ʻO ka puke (i loko o Kepakemapa) ke kolu o nā anthology i kahi papa paʻi puke ma waena o ka Center for Curatorial Studies, Bard College, Luma Foundation a me MIT Press. Kāhea ʻia ka puke mua ʻO ka Curatorial Conundrum: He aha e aʻo ai? He aha e noiʻi? He aha e hoʻomaʻamaʻa ai?; ʻo ka lua ʻo Pehea ka manaʻo o nā hui: ma waena o ka Contemporary Art a me ka Curatorial Discourse, i nīnaninau ʻia i nā hana institusional koʻikoʻi e hoʻomohala ʻia ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa e nā ʻoihana liʻiliʻi a me nā waena. Ua puka mai kēia kolamu anthology mai loko mai o kahi simposium i mālama ʻia ma Luma Foundation ma Arles ma 2017. Nānā ʻia i ka pilina ikaika ma waena o ka politika, ka mālama ʻana, ka hoʻonaʻauao ʻana a me ka hana noiʻi ma waena o nā keʻena, a pehea e hoʻomanaʻo hou ai kēia mau pilina i ka huina waena o ka kūloko a me ka honua, ka āpana a me ka lāhui, i ka manawa o ka palupalu politika no nā kuleana kanaka ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa. Kuhi ka puke i ka mālama ʻana e pili ana i kēia kūlana honua hou, i wehewehe ʻia e nā pilikia o ka wahi, ka hoʻololi geo-politika, ka hōʻoia hou ʻana o nā mokuʻāina a me ka paʻakikī o nā palena ʻāina. Hōʻike ia i nā hanana kūloko e pili pū ana me ka honua ma nā ʻano like ʻole, ma waho o nā kaohi o ka lāhui, sectarianism a protectionism paha.
MP: Ua lilo ka manaʻo o ka 'co-production' i mea nui i loko o kāu hana. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kūkākūkā i ke kumu a me nā pilina e hoʻokumu ana i kekahi o kāu mau hana lōʻihi?
ʻO PO'N: ʻo 'Coalasce' kahi hiʻohiʻona hōʻike ākea a kahi mau mea pena kiʻi like like i hana like ai ma lalo o ke kumuhana: "Pehea e hiki ai iā mākou ke kūkulu pū i kahi hōʻike?" He ʻōlelo hoʻohālikelike ʻo 'Coalesce' no ka hōʻike ma ke ʻano he 'āpana', e hana nei ma ke ʻano he mea hoʻonohonoho no nā pae ʻekolu: ke kua, e hoʻopuni ana i ka mea nānā ke neʻe iā ia; ke kahua waena ma ke ʻano he wahi e hiki ai i ka mea nānā ke kamaʻilio hapa pū me ia (e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i nā kukui, nā lako hōʻike, nā lepili o ka paia, nā noho, nā waihona hōʻike a pēlā aku); a ʻo ka mua hoʻi, ʻo ia ka mea i loaʻa ka mea nānā i kahi ākea o ka hōʻike. Ua kauoha ʻia nā mea pena kiʻi e hui pū me kekahi o kēlā mau kūlana kūikawā. Ua hoʻomaka me ʻekolu mau mea pena kiʻi ma 2001 ma London Print Studio a ua pau me 100 mau mea pena kiʻi ma 2009 ma SMART Project Space ma ʻAmekekama. He hōʻike ia e ulu nei i hoʻonui ʻia i ka manawa, ʻoiai ke kono ʻana o nā mea pena kiʻi i nā mea pena kiʻi ʻē aʻe, e hana ana i nā papa like ʻole a me ke kuʻi ʻana i nā kūlana ʻokoʻa i loko o ka papahana.
Ma ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe, i ka ʻāpana mua o 'We are The Center for Curatorial Studies' ma ke Kulanui ʻo Bard, ua kono ʻia kēlā me kēia mea pena kiʻi i kono ʻia (30 i kēlā manawa) e hōʻike, noiʻi a aʻo (koe wale nō ʻo William McKeown, ʻaʻole ia lōʻihi me mākou). ʻO ka mea nui, hōʻike lākou i ka hana i hiki ke wehewehe ʻia ma ke ʻano he curatorial, e lawe pū nei i kahi hōʻulu o nā ʻokoʻa. ka hāʻawi ʻana i nā haʻiʻōlelo, nā hālāwai aʻo a i ʻole nā seminā me nā haumāna o ka Polokalamu Puka Laikini ma CSS; a ke hana nei i ka noiʻi me nā haumāna a me nā limahana. Ua mākaʻikaʻi mākou i nā ala no ka hōʻike hōʻike hope loa e puka aʻe ma kahi o kahi manawa lōʻihi, me nā mea pena kiʻi e kipa aku ana i nā pae like ʻole. Ua lilo ka hōʻike iā ia iho i wahi aʻo a me kahi aʻo no nā haumāna; hāʻawi kēlā me kēia manawa i nā manawa kūpono e aʻo e pili ana i ke kūkulu ʻana i kahi hōʻike, hana a hana pū ʻana me nā mea pena kiʻi a pēlā aku. Aia kekahi hōʻike ʻē aʻe i kapa ʻia ʻo 'We are the (Epi) Center' i hana ʻia ma P! Gallery ma Manhattan. Ua hana kekahi mau mea pena kiʻi i nā hana keaka, nā kānana ʻana a i ʻole nā kamaʻilio ʻana ma laila, a me ka hana ʻana ma ke Kulanui ʻo Bard, kahi kokoke ʻelua mau hola ma waho o ke kūlanakauhale.
MP: ʻO ka hanana panina o ka papahana kula manuahi, 'Our Day Will Come' (2011) ma ke Kulanui o Tasmania, i mālama ʻia i loko o kahi kalapu kinipōpō, e pili ana i kahi simposium a me kahi disco. Pehea kou manaʻo i ka ʻike ʻana o nā 'publics' ʻelua i kēia mau ʻike?
ʻO PO'N: 'Our Day Will Come' kahi pane i kahi kono e komo i loko o kahi mahina o nā papahana ʻoihana lehulehu, i mālama ʻia e David Cross, i kapa ʻia ʻo 'Iteration Again' ma Hobart, Tasmania. Ua hana wau ma ke ʻano he artist-curator, hoʻonohonoho ʻana i ka papahana 'kula manuahi' o ka papahana me curiona Fiona Lee, a ke kono nei iā Sarah Pierce, Gareth Long, Mick Wilson, Jem Noble, Rhona Byrne a me nā mea ʻē aʻe he nui e hui pū me nā mea hana keaka, nā ʻākena. a me nā lālā o ke kula. Hoʻomaka kēlā me kēia pule o ka papahana hoʻokahi mahina me ka nīnau: He aha ke kula? (Week One); He aha ka mamao? (Week Two); He aha ke aupuni kūʻokoʻa? (Week Three); He aha ka pono? (Week Four). Ua kūkulu kēia mau nīnau ʻehā i kā mākou hana, me kahi kula i kēlā me kēia pule. Ua hoʻonohonoho ʻia ko mākou hale kula liʻiliʻi i loko o kahi kīkeo o ka mea hana kahiko, ma loko o ka pā waena o ke Kulanui o Tasmania, kahi i hoʻokumu ʻia ai ke kula ʻoihana. Hana pū mākou me nā hana o ke kula e kū nei - mai nā papa a me nā papa hana i nā ʻaina awakea o ke kula - a ua paʻi mākou i kahi zine kula i ka hopena o kēlā me kēia pule, hoʻoponopono, hoʻolālā a paʻi ʻia me ka hui e hoʻonui nei o nā mea komo. He mau haʻiʻōlelo maʻamau kekahi a me kahi lekiō kula, hoʻomohala ʻia e Garrett Phelan. ʻO ka disko kula ka papahana hope loa, me ka inoa maʻamau Ka make ʻana o kahi hulahula haʻiʻōlelo, ka mea i hoʻopili i ʻelua mau ʻano discursive like: ka hui pō a me ka ʻaha kūkā. Hoʻololi pū kekahi i nā haʻi ʻōlelo ʻaha kūkā. Ua hoihoi au i kēia mau ʻaha ʻokoʻa ʻelua: e hele mai ana kekahi no ka haʻiʻōlelo, e nānā ana i ke kumuhana o ke kula, ka mamao, ke kūʻokoʻa a me ka pono; ʻo ka mea ʻē aʻe e hele mai ana i ka hale kalapu, kahi e hulahula wale ai ka poʻe. Nui koʻu hoihoi i kēia wahi o ka hoʻolaha - ka hui pū ʻana o nā mea koho balota like ʻole i waena o nā manawa o ka hoʻokūkū. Ua hana mua wau i kēia papahana ma Club One ma Cork ma 2005, ma ke kono a Annie Fletcher, Charles Esche a me Art / ʻaʻole art. Ua kapa ʻia ʻo 'Mingle Mangled, Cork Caucus' a hana maoli me ka maikaʻi, me nā poʻe āpau e ʻapo ana i ka hanana. ʻOiai ma Hobart, ua nui aʻe ka hakakā a me ka antagonism, no ka mea, ʻo ka hapa nui o nā malihini kipa i ka hui ma Hobart ʻaʻole i ʻoluʻolu i kēia hui ʻana o nā mea like ʻole i ka wā o kā lākou hoʻolauleʻa ʻana i ka pō.
MP: ʻO ka huaʻōlelo 'Publics' ua lilo i mea nui nui nāu, ʻaʻole ka mea liʻiliʻi loa mai kou koho ʻia ʻana ma ke ʻano he Artistic Director o Checkpoint Helsinki. Hiki paha iā ʻoe ke kūkākūkā i ka ʻike o ka hoʻoilina a me nā hana nui a ka ʻoihana i kēia hana hou?
PO'N: Ma kahi o 18 mau mahina aku nei, ua koho ʻia wau i Luna Hoʻokele no Checkpoint Helsinki, kahi hana i hoʻokumu ʻia i ka makahiki 2013. ʻO ke kono e noʻonoʻo hou pehea e hiki ai iā Checkpoint Helsinki ke ulu a ulu i ka wā e hiki mai ana. Ua hoʻokumu ʻia ʻo Checkpoint Helsinki ma ke ʻano he hui e kahi hui o nā mea pena kiʻi a me nā mea hoʻouluulu e kūʻē i ka Guggenheim e hele mai nei i Helsinki. Ua hoʻomohala lākou i nā papahana noʻeau lehulehu, nā ʻaha kūkā a me nā paʻi a lawe mai i nā mea mālama honua a me nā loea e hui pū me nā kiʻi Finnish a e hōʻike pū me nā mea pena kiʻi kūloko. Ma ke ʻano he hui activist, ʻo kekahi mea nui ka nānā ʻana i ka hoʻoholo ʻana i ke kūlanakauhale, e pili ana i ka hoʻokaʻawale kālā ʻana i ka moʻomeheu a me nā hana noʻeau. ʻO kekahi o kēia mau mea a me nā hoʻohiki - e like me ka noʻonoʻo loiloi a me ka pilikanaka, e hana pū ana a ke hana nei i nā hoʻopaʻapaʻa e kū mai nei - he mea nui ia i nā PUBLICS. Ua noi wau i ka papa e hiki iā mākou ke hoʻololi i ka inoa i kahi mea hou aʻe a maikaʻi hoʻi. Hōʻike ka huaʻōlelo 'publics' i kahi hōkū o nā hana like ʻole, nā papahana a me nā hana. Nui nā hui like ʻole o ka poʻe i hoʻokumu i ka lehulehu, inā kuhi ʻia a kiʻi ʻole ʻia, maoli a maoli paha. ʻO ka manaʻo o ka lehulehu i nā mea like ʻole i nā wahi like ʻole o ka honua a hoʻololi i nā hopena no nā ʻano like ʻole, mai ka sociology a me ka anthropology, i nā hana noʻeau a me nā akeakamai o kēia wā. Ma ka manawa pinepine, ke neʻe nei ka huaʻōlelo 'publics' mai kēia binary o ka pilikino a me ka lehulehu, e ʻōlelo nei e hoʻolaha ākea nā wahi āpau i kekahi ʻano, ʻoiai e pili ana me nā wahi spatio-temporal e hakakā ana a me ka haʻiʻōlelo a puni ka honua.
He wahi kino kā mākou i kēia manawa aʻo ia ka pūnaewele mua no ka Waihona Pukapuka PUBLICS (hoʻolālā ʻia e Julia studio nāna i hoʻolālā i ka ʻike o PUBLICS). Loaʻa iā mākou kahi hōʻailona pahu uila i kauoha kūikawā ʻia - kāhea ʻia ʻAi ka mea waiwai (2018) na Liam Gillick - e noho nei ma waho o ka PUBLICS. Hiki ke ʻike ʻia ke hoʻokokoke aku i kahi a noho ʻia ma luna o kekahi o nā PALAPALA nui, hāmama, ʻike maka ʻia, nā puka aniani o ke alanui, e ʻae ana i ka mea hele i kahi ʻano o ka mea i hana ʻia i loko. Aia ʻo PUBLICS i kahi wahi noho, ka maʻa mau he wahi papa hana, i kahi manawa o ka gentrification mua. He hele he ʻumi mau minuke wale nō ka Helsinki's Academy of Fine Arts, no laila ke hana like nei mākou me lākou, ma o ke aʻo ʻana a me ke komo ʻana i ka waihona. ʻO ka hale waihona puke - aia ma kahi o 6,000 nā puke paʻi - kū hoʻokahi i loko o ke kūlanakauhale a me ʻEulopa paha, me ke ʻano kikoʻī e pili ana i ka curatorial, ka hoʻolaha ʻana, ka activism a me nā wahi kahi e hoʻopili ai ke akeakamai a me ka noʻonoʻo politika me nā hana noʻeau o kēia wā. ʻO nā kamaʻilio, nā hanana a me nā hana e hana mau ʻia ma PUBLICS, i ka hana pū ʻana me nā hui ʻē aʻe i ke kūlanakauhale, ka ʻāina a me ka honua. ʻO ka iwi hope o kā mākou papahana ke komisina a me ka hana pū ʻana o nā hana lehulehu i waho o nā wahi maʻamau o nā hale hōʻikeʻike a me nā hale hōʻikeʻike. I kekahi manawa, he wahi hōʻike ka PUBLICS, kahi hale kiʻiʻoniʻoni, kula, a i kekahi manawa noho mākou he waihona a i ʻole kahi e ʻākoakoa ai. Ua hōʻike mua mākou i ka hana me nā mea pena kiʻi e like me Chris Kraus (ke hoʻokomo mākou i kāna mau kiʻi ʻoniʻoni āpau), ʻo Harold Offeh, ka Karrabing Film Collective, ʻo Kathrin Böhm a mālama ʻia me nā kānana ʻana me Tony Cokes, a me nā mea ʻē aʻe he nui - eia naʻe, ʻaʻole ka PUBLICS i hōʻike nui ʻia .
MP: Pehea kou manaʻo ke kani hou nei ka PUBLICS, ma loko o ka pōʻaiapili kūloko o ka hanana kiʻi Finnish a me ka honua?
PO'N: Hoʻonohonoho nui ia i loko o ka wahi kūloko. Ke hoʻonohonoho mākou ia, hana mākou i nā kamaʻilio lehulehu a me nā hanana a piha mau mākou i waho. Makemake mākou e hoʻopili i kekahi mau kūkākūkā e hana nei i loko o ke kūlanakauhale, me nā kamaʻilio a mākou e makemake ai e pili ana i ke kaulike ʻole o nā mea noʻeau a me ka hoʻokae i nā ʻano āpau. ʻO kā mākou kia nui ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hoʻokaʻawale i nā mea e hoʻolohe ai i nā noʻeau, no laila ke lawe nei i nā pilikia e pili ana i ka politika kālaiʻāina, a me nā politika like ʻole. Ua mālama mākou i nā 'hālāwai hoʻolohe manaʻo' kahi mākou i hōʻuluʻulu ai i ka poʻe (ʻaʻole paha ʻike paha kekahi i kekahi) e hoʻolohe i kekahi i kekahi. ʻO kā mākou hanana "Parahosting" kahi ala ʻē aʻe e hōʻike i nā pilikia i hōʻike ʻole ʻia ma mua o PUBLICS. Hiki i ka 'Parahosting' nā mea āpau mai ka hoʻouka puke, kahi noho a hana paʻa paha, i kahi hui heluhelu, ʻaha kūkā pule a i ʻole hoʻonoho pop-up. ʻO Parahosting e pili ana i ka PUBLICS e hāʻawi nei i kāna papahana i ka hana a nā poʻe ʻē aʻe, a i kēlā mau hana e pono ai i kahi e hoʻomaʻamaʻa a e kākoʻo i ka hoʻokō ʻana o kā lākou papahana i ka lehulehu. Lilo ʻo PUBLICS i mea hoʻokipa i nā poʻe ʻē aʻe, nā kino ʻē aʻe a me ko lākou mau manaʻo; lawe ʻia ia a ma nā pae he nui e preoccupied e lākou. Hoʻomaʻo mākou e hana piha me ka wahi kūloko, e hana nei ma ke ʻano he fulcrum no nā kūkākūkā ʻokoʻa a pili kūpono hoʻi, akā ke noʻonoʻo nui nei mākou e pili ana i ka moku ʻo Nordic a me ka moku ʻo Baltic. I ka hoʻāʻo ʻana iā 'de-center' Helsinki, ke hana nei mākou i kēia manawa i nā papahana hana pū me Index ma Stockholm, ka Latvian Center no Contemporary Art ma Riga a me Oslo Biennial ma Nolewai.
ʻO kā mākou nānā i kēia manawa ka hoʻomau kālā a me ka hoʻopili ʻana i ka hakahaka ma waena o nā ʻoihana liʻiliʻi a me nā ʻoihana nui, e like me nā hale hōʻikeʻike, ma ʻō aku o ke kūlanakauhale. Nui a nui kahi moʻomeheu hoʻokumu papahana ma aneʻi, kahi e hoʻolako kālā ʻia ai nā hui a me nā hoʻolālā no ʻekolu a ʻehā paha mau makahiki, a laila loaʻa iā ʻoe kēia mau ʻoihana nui, e like me Kiasma a me HAM, i hoʻopaʻa ʻia ma ʻō aku o kēlā. I ka waena, aia ka hana liʻiliʻi loa. Ke hoʻāʻo nei mākou e ulu i kā mākou hui i hui hoʻonohonoho kaulike, ma ke ʻano he kākoʻo i ka ʻōnaehana hoʻokele e hoʻomau nei, hoʻomau a me ka wā lōʻihi o ke kākoʻo no ka moʻomeheu a me nā hana noʻeau o ke kūlanakauhale a me ka ʻāina. No ka mea, 'ʻO kā mākou lā apopo kēia lā' - kahi papahana hoʻolauleʻa hui kūloko i hoʻomaka ʻia e PUBLICS e mālama ʻia ana i Kepakemapa - ke hoʻāʻo nei mākou e hoʻokumu i kahi hana i hiki ai ke hui pū nā hui like ʻole ma ka hōʻike ʻana i ka ʻokoʻa a me ka ʻokoʻa. Hiki paha i kēia ke lilo i papahana nui i kēlā me kēia makahiki, ma ke ʻano he kumu hoʻohālikelike hou no ka hana kūloko a me ka honua, i mea e mau ai nā ʻoihana liʻiliʻi.
ʻO Manuela Pacella kahi mea mālama manuahi a mea kākau i hoʻokumu ʻia ma Roma.
ʻO Dr Paul O'Neill kahi kahu mālama ʻIlelani, mea pena kiʻi, mea kākau a mea aʻo hoʻi. ʻO ia ka Luna Hoʻokele Artistic o PUBLICS.
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Kiʻi hiʻohiʻona
Liam Gillick, ʻAi ka mea waiwai, 2018, pahu kukui waho i kauoha ʻia e PUBLICS; na Noora Lehtovuori i kiʻi; ʻoluʻolu a PUBLICS.
