Nīnauele ʻo AVRIL CORROON KATHY PRENDERGAST I KANA LONDON STUDIO.
ʻO Kathy Prendergast: ʻIke wau ma ʻaneʻi ʻoe e nīnauele ai iaʻu, akā hiki iā ʻoe ke haʻi iaʻu e pili ana i kāu hana pū kekahi? Hoihoi wau.
ʻO Avril Corroon: Hana wau me ka hui like ʻole o nā mea waena, e loli pinepine ana mai ka hele ʻana i ka papahana MFA ma Goldsmiths. ʻO kaʻu papahana nui hope loa, i kapa ʻia ʻo 'Spoiled Spores', i hōʻike ʻia ma The LAB Gallery (14 Nowemapa 2019 - 9 Ianuali 2020). Lawe wau i ka hamo o ka punahelu mai kahi noho hoʻolimalima, e like me kaʻu ponoʻī, a hoʻohana wau i kēia mau laʻana e hana ma kahi o 30 mau paʻi lima nui a ka mea hana kiʻi, aʻu i kapa ai ma hope o nā mea hoʻolimalima e komo ana. Loaʻa iā lākou nā kala, nā lau a me nā ʻaʻala, a maʻi loa, kino kino. Ua hana wau i kahi kiʻi ʻoniʻoni e palapala i ka pono o kēia mau mould a me ke kaʻina hana kuke, me nā menus e hōʻike ana i nā uku hoʻolimalima a me nā papa inoa mea hoʻohui, e hoʻopili ana me nā puna ʻeleʻele.
KP: Wow ... ʻeleʻele a weliweli loa ka pala ʻeleʻele. No laila, he mea nui ka meaʻai i kāu hana?
AC: I kekahi manawa. Ua hana wau i kekahi mau hana ʻē aʻe e pili pū me ka meaʻai, akā hoʻohana ʻia lākou e kuhikuhi i ka ikaika o ka papa a me ka politika hana. No ka mea ʻO Art Latte, Ua hoʻohana au i nā kiʻi o ka pahupaʻi kiʻi-huna o kaʻu e lawelawe ana i loko o kahi hale waiho kiaka - ke hana pono nei i ka lihi o ka honua aʻu e makemake ai.
KP: Manaʻo ʻoe i ka hana ma ke ʻano he limahana lawelawe, ʻoiai ʻaʻole e ʻike ʻia e ka honua akamai?
AC: Ae. Ua kākau wau i nā wahi o ka lumi kuke, e hōʻike ana i nā hana maʻamau ma hope o nā hanana, e like me ka ʻai ʻana i nā koena no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻauamo i nā ʻōpala o ka meaʻai a no ka loaʻa ʻole o ka manawa no kahi hoʻomaha kūpono. Makemake wau i kēlā ʻano ʻano hana i hope. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kūkākūkā i kāu ala e pili ana i nā mea i loaʻa. ʻO ka manawa pinepine, ke hoʻololi nei ʻoe i ka ʻilikai ma o kahi ʻōnaehana holoi - no ke aha ia?
KP: ʻO ka mea i hala loa aku nei, ua kau ka hana i ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā atlases a me nā palapala ʻāina e like me nā mea maka. I nā '90s, kaʻu' City Drawings 'he penikala penikala ma ka pepa, lawe ʻia mai nā palapala ʻāina o nā kūlanakauhale. Mai ia manawa, ke hoʻohana nei wau i nā atlase maoli a me nā palapala ʻāina e like me ke kākoʻo, e hana pololei ana i kā lākou papa. E like me kāu e ʻike ai ma koʻu mau paia ma aneʻi, ke hoʻohana nei wau i kahi papa alanui ma kēia manawa a noʻonoʻo e pili ana i nā ala me he mea hoʻohālikelike lā. Aia kahi papa alanui o Minnesota aʻu i nānā iki ai, ma nā wahi pālahalaha a me nā grids maʻamau. Ua hoʻomaka wau e kala iā lākou i nā hoʻonohonoho ʻokoʻa, e ʻike i nā lauana like ʻole e hiki ai i nā ala ke hana, e ʻimi nei i kahi ʻōnaehana e hōʻike i kekahi mea e pili ana iā mākou i ka honua. Ke hana nei wau i kahi papahana laina lōʻihi loa i kapa ʻia ʻo 'Road Trip', e hana nei i kēlā mau palapala ʻāina. He mau lula kaʻu - e like me ke kahakaha ʻana i kēlā me kēia mile kuea me ka infill ʻeleʻele, e like me ke ʻano o ke coding. No ka noʻonoʻo, makemake wau i ka manaʻo o kahi alahele alanui, no ka mea lawe ʻoe me ʻoe ke hele ʻoe, no laila huakaʻi ka palapala ʻāina i nā alanui i loaʻa i loko. Ke noʻonoʻo nei nō hoʻi wau i nā manaʻo kanaka a mākou e waiho nei i ka ʻāina.
AC: Ke noʻonoʻo nei wau pehea ka hopena o ka politika i kēia manawa i kāu hana? Mai ka mea aʻu i ʻike ai, haʻalele ʻoe i ka hana i hāmama loa, i hiki i ka poʻe ke hana i kā lākou wehewehe ponoʻī. He mea nui kēia pili hana ʻole iā ʻoe?
KP: ʻOiai pili iaʻu ka politika, ʻaʻole wau e makemake e ʻike wale ʻia kaʻu hana mai kahi manaʻo politika; ʻoi aku ke kuanaʻike kanaka. ʻO ka neʻe, ka ʻike, ka nalowale - ua pili nui kēlā mau mea iaʻu i loko o kaʻu ʻoihana. Ua hoʻomaka wau i ka moʻo 'Atlas' i ka wā e huikau ana au me Google Earth. Hōʻike ka pahu hana ma luna i nā hōkū ma luna o kou wahi, a manaʻo wau e hoʻāʻo wau i kēlā ma ka palapala ʻāina, e pale ana i nā mea āpau akā nā kiko keʻokeʻo. Hoʻohana wau i kekahi mana o nā palapala ʻāina no ko lākou mau palena keʻokeʻo e pili ana nā wahi e pili ana i kākau ʻia i ka ʻulaʻula - noʻonoʻo wau i nā palena he nui. Ke ʻeleʻele nā palapala ʻāina a koe wale nā kiko, hōʻike lākou pehea mākou i neʻe ai i ka mōʻaukala ma nā wahi o ka ʻāina. pehea e ulu ai ke kūlanakauhale a ulu i ka hala o ka manawa. Aia kēlā 'hōkū' i kēlā mōʻaukala. Ma hope o kaʻu hana nui ʻana i nā Palapala ʻEleʻele no nā paia, ua hoʻoholo wau e hana i kahi atlas holoʻokoʻa i hiki ke pālahalaha. Ua hana wau i 100 mau hana palapala ʻāina o kahi atlas motoring i wehe ʻia - a lilo i 200 ʻaoʻao ke wehe ʻoe iā lākou - nona ka holoʻokoʻa o ʻEulopa. Ke hōʻike ʻia ma nā papa, hiki i nā poʻe ke hele ma waena, me he mea lā ke hoʻokele nei i kēia mau alanui ʻEulopa ʻike ʻole ʻia.
AC: Kū paha kekahi o kāu mau hana me nā pīhoihoi o kēia manawa e pili ana i ka huliau. Aia kekahi mau kuhikuhi i nā wahi e nalo paha?
KP: Ae. Ua hana pū wau me nā wahi i kapa ʻia ʻo 'Lost', kahi inoa wahi maʻamau i ʻAmelika, kapa ʻia paha e nā paionia i neʻe mai East a West. Ua hana hou wau i kahi panana me 'LOST' i kākau ʻia ma luna, ma kahi o NESW. Makemake au i ka manaʻo o kēia mea kani, i manaʻo ʻia e kōkua iā ʻoe e ʻike i kou ala, e hoʻomaopopo ana ʻaʻole hiki. Ua kākau nā mea kākau e like me Rebeka Solnit e pili ana i ka nalo ʻana a me ka mea nui o ka ʻike ʻole ma hea ʻoe i nā manawa āpau.
AC: Kuhi wau e hāpai kēia i kāu hana, Hopena o ka hoʻomaka II (1996)?
KP: I hana ia Hopena o ka hoʻomaka II i ka home. Hoʻomaopopo wau i ka nīnau ʻana i koʻu makuahine: "Hiki iaʻu ke lawe i kahi lauoho o kou lauoho no kahi ʻāpana o ka hana?" No laila, aia kona lauoho, koʻu lauoho a me koʻu lauoho mai kaʻu keiki kāne, ʻo ia paha ma kahi o ʻewalu mau mahina i kēlā manawa. He mea hoʻomākeʻaka ke kamaʻilio ʻana e pili ana i kēlā ʻāpana i kēia manawa, no ka mea ʻaʻole ola koʻu makuahine hou, a manaʻo wau e like me kaʻu i hana ai i kēlā hana, ʻaʻole wau i noʻonoʻo e pili ana i kēlā mau ʻano mea. Akā ʻoiaʻiʻo, pili kēlā ʻāpana i ka hoʻomau. Aia kona lauoho i waenakonu a ʻo kaʻu keikikāne aia ma waho, no laila ma ke kumumanaʻo, inā he keiki kāna, hiki ke hoʻohui ʻia ko lākou lauoho, no laila hiki ke hoʻomau mau loa - me ke ola.
Aia kekahi wahi o koʻu makuahine ma nā hana ʻē aʻe, e like me kahi ʻāpana aʻu i hana ai i ke aʻo ʻana ma NCAD i kāhea ʻia e kali ana (1992), aia ma ka Hugh Lane Gallery. Ma ka home he kiʻi kā mākou no koʻu makuahine a me koʻu makuakāne iā lākou i ka makahiki 20. Ke hana pū nei lāua ʻelua ma ka Hui Dublin a ma laila lāua i hui ai. I kēlā mau lā ke male ka wahine, ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke hana hou. Akamai maoli koʻu māmā. Loaʻa iā ia kahi mea e like me ka ʻumi ma ka ʻāina i ka Leaving Cert a ʻo ia ka mea mua o kona ʻohana i hoʻopau i ke aʻo kula kiʻekiʻe. ʻAʻole hiki i kona mau mākua ke hoʻouna iā ia i ke kula nui, no laila ua hele ʻo ia e hana ma Dublin Corporation. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia ʻo ia nā makahiki ʻekolu ʻoi loa o kona ola. I ke kiʻi, ua like koʻu mau mākua me aʻu i ka wā e aʻo ana ma NCAD i ka makahiki 1979. Noʻu ma ke ʻano he 20-makahiki i ka hopena o 70, he hapa nui ka wahine i ko mākou noʻonoʻo, a ua maopopo iaʻu ʻo kaʻu Ua pau ka makuahine ma ke ʻano he wahine hale no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke hana.
AC: He aha ke ʻano o ke komo ʻana i loko o kahi hōʻuluʻulu hale hōʻikeʻike ʻoiai e noho ana i ke koleke kiʻi?
KP: Manaʻo wau ua laki loa wau. He ʻano ʻano ʻē keu. Ua hana wau i kēlā ʻāpana no kaʻu hōʻike kekelē NCAD a laila hoʻokomo ʻia i loko o ka 'ʻIrani Exhibition of Living Art'. Ke hana nei wau ma RTÉ, hoʻomaʻamaʻa ma ke ʻano he kāmele, a laila ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi kelepona mai ke poʻo o ke koleke, ʻo Campbell Bruce. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia: "Aia kekahi mea e hana nei e pili ana i kēlā ʻāpana - pono ʻoe e kani iā lākou a haʻi iā lākou i ka nui o ia mea, ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ke hana i kēia manawa". No laila, ua kani wau iā lākou mai kahi kelepona kelepona lehulehu ma RTÉ. ʻAʻole wau i ʻike pehea e uku ai i ka hana - ʻaʻohe mea i ʻike i kēlā mau lā - he mea kupaianaha loa ia, ke nānā nei i kēia manawa.
AC: ʻOiai ke kūkākūkā nui e pili ana i ke kālai kiʻi ʻIlani ke kumuhana holo o kēia pukana, ke haʻohaʻo nei wau i kou manaʻo e pili ana i kāu hana e wehewehe ʻia nei ma ke ʻano he 'kiʻi ʻIlani'?
KP: Manaʻo mau wau iaʻu iho ma ke ʻano he mea pena kiʻi ʻIrila, ʻoiai ʻoi aku koʻu noho ma aneʻi ma Ladana ma mua o koʻu noho ʻana ma ʻIlani. ʻIke wau i kekahi nui o ka nalo ʻana mai ka noho ʻole ʻana ma ʻIlalani, akā hoʻi wau i kahi nui loa a pili loa wau me ka nui o kaʻu mau hoa koleke ma Dublin. Manaʻo pinepine wau i ka manaʻo o nā ʻoihana ʻike kiʻi ma ʻIrelani e pili ana i ka diaspora ʻIlani a pehea ko lākou ʻoluʻolu e hoʻomaopopo iā mākou ma ke ʻano he moʻomeheu artistic Irish. Manaʻo wau aia kahi hakahaka ma laila.
AC: Kou hana Mittens hōʻike i nā hopena o ka palaho a me ka hala ʻana o ka manawa, akā nani nō naʻe.
KP: mau Mittens kaumaha loa i ka naʻau. Ua ulana ʻia lākou e kekahi a hāʻawi ʻia iaʻu i makana, ke hānau ʻia kahi o kaʻu mau keiki. Nani loa lākou a waiho wau iā lākou, a i ka wā i loaʻa ai au, pili paʻa ʻole lākou i nā mū. No laila, ua paʻi kiʻi wau ma mua o koʻu neʻe ʻana iā lākou, no ka mea ua haki lākou. E hoʻāʻo ana wau e paʻa i kekahi ʻano like o lākou.
AC: Manaʻo wau ua hoihoi wau i kēlā mea no ka mea ke hana wau me ka punahelu a me nā meaola ʻē aʻe i loko o ka home, ke nānā nei hoʻi wau i ka hopena o ka decompose i kāna ʻano nani, ʻoiai ke lawe nei i ka hiʻohiʻona o ka mea e ʻino ana.
KP: A eia kekahi, aia kahi mea manawa āu e kaohi ʻole ai, a he mea nui pū kekahi. Pono wau e nīnau iā ʻoe; he pāʻina hoʻāʻo cheese kāu?
AC: Auē, ʻona lākou!
ʻO Avril Corroon kahi mea pena kiʻi ma waena o Westmeath a me Ladana. Noho ʻo ia i kēia manawa ma kahi noho ma ACME Studios me ka makana Goldsmiths MFA.
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ʻO Kathy Prendergast kahi mea pena kiʻi ʻIlani i hoʻokumu ʻia ma ʻIlalani ma ka Venice Biennale ma 1995, kahi i lanakila ai ʻo ia no ka makana ʻo Lion Lion Young Young Award no kāna papahana ʻo "City Drawings".
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Kiʻi hiʻohiʻona: ʻO Kathy Prendergast, ʻO Atlas 4, SLIGO-BELFAST, 2017, ʻAla Alanui ʻAtata o ʻEulopa, ka inika, 30.5 × 43.5 × 1 knm; ʻoluʻolu a ka mea pena a me Kerlin Gallery.
