Ciara Healy: I pai ahau ki te mahi o to mahi toi ora, WHAKAARO SPIN SCHEHERAZADE (2019), i roto i te Taiwhanga Toi o Crawford i te mutunga o Hune, hei waahanga o te Huihuinga o te Taumahuru o Cork. Ki te whakatau i te maha o nga kohinga korero e whakaatuhia ana i roto i te whakaaturanga, he tino pukumahi enei tau kua pahure ake nei mo koe. Kei te aha koe?
Orla Barry: Kei te whangai ahau, i te whangai hipi, i te whangai, i te kutikuti hipi, i te mahi tarutaru, i te whakangungu kuri hipi. Kua puta nga hoko whakapapa, hui toi, roopu korero hipi, tono a te Kaunihera Toi, arotake a Bord Bia, tirotiro paamu, kohikohi taake. Nga whakaaturanga, nga whakaaturanga, nga whakaaturanga kararehe. Kua mahi tahi ahau me nga kararehe tangata me nga kararehe ahuwhenua. He tauira au mo te taiao, me te tino titiro ki te ahumahi paamu me te ao toi. I etahi wa kua ahua kere ahau. Kua whakapau kaha ahau ki te whakakotahi i aku mahi toi me te whakahaere i te kahui whakapapa o nga hipi Lleyn mo te tekau tau neke atu.
CH: Kua rerekee te taiwhenua o Ireland i nga tau tata nei. I pehea te tipu o to mahi i to hokinga mai ki County Wexford mai i Belgium?
OB: I hoki mai ahau ki Ireland ki te noho ki te paamu ngaki a toku papa i te tau 2009, a, i whakatuu he kahui hipi a Lleyn i te tau 2011. He maha nga ahuatanga, i ahau i Belgium, kaore te whenua o Airani i whakarere i ahau. He nui te ahua, engari he mea aroha ki nga mahi penei Whanaunga (1999) me Kohatu Kawe (2004), i aro nui ki te wheako o te mahara ki te whenua. I taku hokinga ki Ireland, ko taku mahi ko te wheako o te whai oranga in a mā te te whenua.
I whakatipuria e ahau aku kahui ki te 70 ka whakaatuhia e ahau ki nga whakaaturanga kararehe. Ko te reo toi me te whakawhanaunga whakapapa ka huri ano tetahi ki tetahi, ka kitea e au he mea whakamere, he whakakatakata hoki. I ahu mai ahau i nga mahi ahuwhenua ko te tikanga mena ka haere ahau ki te paamu, me mahi e au tika. Ko nga mahi ahuwhenua i timatahia e au ehara i te mea ngahau, a ko nga mahi auaha i puta mai i te mahi. Ko te ngana ki te whakahaere i aua mea katoa i te wa kotahi kare e taea i etahi wa; he kaiahuwhenua, he kaitoi, he kaikorero, he patai nui. He rereke te rereketanga i waenga i te mahara ki te whenua i a au e noho ana i Belgium me te toremi i roto i te maru o nga mahi ahuwhenua i taku hokinga mai ki Wexford noho ai. Karekau he whakaaro o mua – i puta mai te mahi ahuwhenua i te hiahia. I kii oku ra i te ataahua me te mate, te aroha me te tutu, i te mea ka mau ahau i nga tuakiri katoa i te wa kotahi, a, mai i tenei wheako, ka puta mai nga mahi auaha.
CH: WHAKAARO SPIN SCHEHERAZADE na te mahi tahi i kawe mai i tenei tino uaua.
OB: Ae, ko te mahi tahi tuatahi me te mea nui i roto i te mahi ko te whanaungatanga tangata-kararehe e poipoia ana e au i te paamu. WHAKAARO SPIN SCHEHERAZADE (2019) he pakiwaitara ki TE WHAI WAHI (2016). I roto i enei mahi e rua, i mahi tahi ahau me Einat Tuchman, he kaihaka Beletita-Iharaira, i mahi tahi ahau me ia mo nga tau tekau kua hipa. I tipu ake taku whai waahi ki a Einat na te mea i nga wa katoa taku kaingākau ki te reo me nga huarahi e korerohia ana e te tangata whenua me te reo ke. He whakakatakata ano hoki, he ahua koretake hoki i te wa e whakaatu ana, e mahi ana te tangata rite ki a Einat, he ahua kanapa me te ao, he korero mo te hipi kua paheke te kopu, mo nga reme e patua ana i roto i te wheketere mīti, mo nga mahi hokohoko, mo te whakawa i nga kahui me te ngakau. nga whatumanawa o nga hipi toa! Kei te pirangi ahau ki te awangawanga i waenga i te visceral me te pono i konei hoki.
Ko nga papa mahi me nga mahi toi i hangaia e au Āmio Āmio he ma, he tino hangahanga, he pokekore – karekau he pao kakau witi e kitea ana. Ka puta mai he raruraru i te wa e whakamahia ana enei papa parakore hei waahi mo Einat ki te korero i nga korero mo te tino atawhai me te aroha, te toto me te puku. Ko taku hiahia ki te whakahē i nga whakaahua o te mahi ahuwhenua he mea whakapouri mo te hunga whakarongo. Kaore i te marama ki a ratou mena he mahi paamu ahau. Ka korerotia e ahau aku korero ahuwhenua ki a Einat kia mohio ai ia i roto i te ahua ahua. Ka whakakotahi o tatou ao reo. Ka puta te whakaaro o te hunga whakarongo ko tana wheako hei kaikawe korero he tino wheako hei kaiahuwhenua.
CH: He pehea te wheako o te hunga whakarongo ki tenei mahi mahi tahi, me te pehea e huihui katoa ai i roto i te waahi taiwhanga?
OB: Ka huri haere a Einat i te waahi, ka tu i etahi wa ki runga i nga papa e noho ana te hunga whakarongo, no reira me neke haere ano te hunga whakarongo. Ka whai waahi nui te whai waahi ki te ahuatanga o te mahi. I a Einat e mahi ana i aku korero, ka mahi au i te toast. Ko te toaster he taputapu whakaari e tohu ana i ia korero. Ka mutu te tunu kai, ka mutu a Einat, ka tono ki te hunga whakarongo ki te tohutohu ia ia kia haere tonu, kia neke atu ranei ki tetahi atu korero. Mo te hunga whakarongo, he ahua kee te ahua o nga mea, i te mea ka peke a Einat mai i tetahi korero ki tera korero. Ina koa he kaha, he whakakorikori ranei enei korero, mo te mate, mo te whanautanga uaua ranei. Ko te minenga kei te tino pukumahi, e kata ana, e tangi ana, katahi ka mutu te kare-a-roto. Kare e tau i te mea karekau he timatanga, waenga, mutunga ranei.
Ko tenei momo wehenga he mea nui ki aku mahi; ko te ahua o taku hinengaro mate pukupuku, me te mahi ahuwhenua. Ko te mahi toast hoki taku huarahi i roto i te whakaaturanga, a ko te whakamahi i te taro he mea mo te tangata ake, mo te mahi torangapu. Ko te whanau o toku kuia i roto i te whare tunu taro rongonui a Kelly i Wexford. I ahau e rangahau ana Āmio Āmio, i whakaaro ahau ko ia kei te mutunga o te hurihanga ahuwhenua ki te mahi taro, ko taku papa, he kaiahuwhenua ngaki, i te timatanga o te huringa, e whakatipu witi ana. Ahakoa e tohu ana te toast ki taku kuia, he hua ano na te kaupapa whakapaipai, ko te taro te tino kai i ora ai nga kaimahi puta noa i Uropi mai i te Huringa Ahumahi. Ko te toast tetahi mea e ora ana koe i a koe e reme ana. Hei te 2 karaka i te ata, he kapu ti me tetahi poro toast ka haere tonu koe, i mua i to hokinga atu ki te ua ki te mahi i nga mea e kore e mohiotia i roto i te pouri o te whare hipi.
CH: E marama ana i o korero ko au kararehe me nga tangata i mahi tahi koe i roto i nga tau - i te paamu, i roto i te hapori hoko whakapapa, me te hekeretari o mua mo te Roopu Kaipupuri - he awe nui, engari ko wai atu kua whakahihiri i to mahi?
OB: He pai ki a au te whakaaro ki a au ano he tangata iti-whakaahua. Ko taku ao he whakawhiti i waenga i a Edvard Munch, Hanne Darboven, me Beatrix Potter! Ka mihi ahau ki a ia na te mea he tangata mohio ia, he tangata mohio, he tangata mohio ki te whakatipu hipi a Herdwick pedigree, me te kaitoi atawhai me te angitu. Kei te maumahara ahau i taku tiimatanga ki te mahi paamu, ohorere ana taku mohio ki nga mea katoa e pa ana ki nga korero pakiwaitara me nga korero pakiwaitara. Ko ahau te ahua o era mea katoa, te ngenge, me te koa o tena. He tino harikoa ahau kua whai waahi ahau ki te mahi. Kua noho ahau hei momo tohunga tikanga tangata o taku ake hapori taiwhenua.
He kaituhi a Ciara Healy me te Tumuaki o te Tari mo te Toi Pai me te Matauranga i te Kura Toi me te Hoahoa o Limerick, Te Whare Wananga Hangarau o Shannon.
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Ko Orla Barry he kaitoi ataata me te hepara e noho ana, e mahi ana i te takutai tonga o te tuawhenua o Wexford.
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WHAKAARO SPIN SCHEHERAZADE ka whakaatuhia ki Temple Bar Gallery + Studios mai i te 5 ki te 7 o Oketopa i te taha o Dublin Theatre Festival.
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Kua whakamaoritia te mahi ki te reo Wīwī ka uru ki te kohinga o Musée des Arts Contemporains (MACS) i Grand-Hornu, Belgium, ka whakaatuhia hei waahanga o te whakaaturanga motuhake a te kaitoi i te Paenga-whawha 2024.
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