Kūkā ʻo SAM KEOGH a me ANNE TALLENTIRE i ka ABSURDITY, SECURITY AND AGENCY.
Sam Keogh: ʻĀ, e hoʻomākaukau ai no kā mākou kamaʻilio ʻana, ke hoʻomanaʻo nei wau iaʻu iho i kekahi o kāu hana. Ua nānā au i ka moʻo o nā hana 'Manifesto' āu i hana ai me John Seth, kahi e ʻohiʻohi ai i nā mea mai ke alanui a lawe iā lākou i ke keʻena a hoʻomaʻemaʻe a hoʻonohonoho i kēlā mau mea i loaʻa, ʻoiai e kākau nei i ka hana. A laila hōʻike ʻoe i nā palapala me ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana o nā mea i ka wahi hōʻikeʻike. A ua noʻonoʻo iaʻu - a ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo i kēia ma ke ʻano derisory - lapuwale kēia. No ka mea ʻo ka mea āu e hana nei e hoʻāʻo nei e hana i ka manaʻo mai ka wili ʻana, ka mea e hoʻomaka me ka ʻole. ʻIke wau i kēlā me kēia manawa ke hoʻomaka wau i kekahi mea i ke keʻena, kēlā ʻano ʻano hollow o ka absurdity. Akā laila e hana wau i kekahi mea, a laila hana i kekahi mea ʻē aʻe i kēlā mea a ma hope loa e hiki mai kahi mea i manaʻo ʻole ʻia, kekahi mea leʻaleʻa e hana a ma hope o ka hana ʻana e hoʻomaka ka pua. Akā i ka hoʻomaka, manaʻo hoʻomakeʻaka a lapuwale paha ia mau manawa!
ʻO Anne Tallentire: Hana ia. Manaʻo wau e pili ana i ka hana ʻana me kahi hana o ka ʻimi ʻana i kahi mea hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike he mea nui i kahi kamaʻilio kūloko mau ʻana a i ʻole kahi hoʻonohonoho o nā pilikia a i ʻole nā manaʻo. Naʻu kēia kaʻina hana e koi ai i kahi ʻāpana e hele i kahi ʻano amnesia manawa ʻole a makapō paha e pono ai e hoʻihoʻi mai, e ʻike i kahi mea i maopopo ʻole piha. He lapuwale paha. ʻAʻole ʻoe makemake i ka mea āu e ʻike ai kamaʻāina loa, no ka mea inā kamaʻāina loa hiki iā ia ke alakaʻi i ka hana hou ʻole ʻana. No laila, ʻoluʻolu ʻole kēia mea i ʻike ʻia, ʻano ʻē a ʻike ʻole ʻia. He hana ʻano ʻē iki ia, ʻae.
Ma Belfast wau i nā lā i hala iho nei e noiʻi ana no ka hana e hōʻike ʻia ma laila i kēia kauwela e hiki mai ana. No ka ʻĀkau wau, no laila kamaʻāina ʻo Belfast, akā pili mau koʻu pili ʻana i ke kūlanakauhale me kekahi poʻe ʻē aʻe, koʻu ʻohana a i ʻole nā hana aʻo. Kākaʻikahi kaʻu hana a hōʻike paha i ka hana ma laila, no laila ua ʻike wau e lawe kēia iaʻu i kahi ʻano o ka hana lapuwale e pono ai ka hoʻoponopono hou ʻana i koʻu wā i hala a me kēia manawa. No laila, e like me kaʻu e hana pinepine ai i ka wā e hōʻea ai e hana ma kahi aʻu e ʻike ʻole ai, ua hele wāwae wau i nā ʻāpana o ke kūlanakauhale i nā wahi aʻu i ʻike ʻole ai, e hana ana i kahi hana o ka noho kaʻawale ʻana, i hiki ai iaʻu ke noʻonoʻo a ʻike ʻokoʻa i ka wahi. Kupaianaha ia.
SK: He aha i hana ai?
MA: ʻĀ, ua ʻike wau makemake wau e ʻike i nā pūnaewele i hoʻonohonoho ʻia no a i ʻole nā kūkulu mokuʻāina like ʻole. Nā wahi neoneo. Ma ka manawa kūpono, ua hāʻawi ʻia wau i kahi lumi ma ka hope o ka hōkele aʻu i noho ai, kokoke i ke kikowaena kūlanakauhale, e nānā ana i kahi pūnaewele haʻalele nui. I waenakonu o ka pūnaewele, aia kahi mālamalama ʻeleʻele aʻu i manaʻo ai he koena ia o kahi ahi ahi 12 o Iulai. Ua ʻike au ma kekahi lihi o kahi lālani o ka pahu ʻia ʻana, nā panina pa hao kuʻikuʻi kū i ke kū ʻana i nā hoʻonohonoho ʻoi loa. ʻO ia ke ʻano o ka pā hao e ʻike ai ʻoe ma nā ʻaha mele e noho ana i nā palaka paʻa. Ua hoʻokūpaʻa ʻia kēia pā i nā kiko nui me ʻelua mau ʻāpana hou e hoʻohui ana e hana i kahi huinakolu. Akā ua hoʻokau ʻia nā ʻāpana nui, hoʻonui ʻia.
Ma ka maʻalahi, ka pā ʻana, hoʻonui ʻia i kēlā ala kikoʻī, akā ke hana nei i kahi mea aʻu i ʻike ai akā ʻaʻole wau i ʻike ma mua. Ua komo hewa wau i loko o ke ākea, e kiʻi i kekahi mau kiʻi. ʻAʻole i liʻuliʻu ma hope o ka hoʻomaka ʻana o kahi kani i ke kani, i koʻu manaʻo, hoʻomaka ʻia e kahi kāmela kiaʻi. ʻAʻole makemake wau e hana me ka wehewehe ʻana i koʻu alo, hele hou wau ma luna o ka ʻāpana hāʻule aʻu i ʻike ai. I koʻu hoʻi ʻana mai i kekahi mau hola ma hope, ua pau. Kū pololei hou nā pā āpau. No laila, ʻaʻole hele kēia i kekahi wahi, ʻaʻole loa ia e lilo i mea. Ma kekahi ʻaoʻao, ʻo ka mea aʻu e wehewehe ai ma aneʻi e hana ai me kahi hana kamaʻāina. ʻO ka mea aʻu i ʻike ai i loko o kēia kekahi mau tropes i hoʻohana ʻia i kaʻu hana ma mua. ʻO ke ʻano o nā kaʻina hana aʻu e hana ai, a i ka wā me John, ua hoʻohana au i mau makahiki. Ke hele nei i kahi, hoʻolei i kahi dice nui a i ʻole metaphorically, e lawe iā mākou iho mai kahi mea i kuhikuhi ʻia a laila e ʻimi ana i kahi mea e nīnau ai i kēlā mea.
SK: E noʻonoʻo ana wau e pili ana i ka pā. Aia kekahi ʻano pā ʻē aʻe e kau ana no kekahi mau kilomita ma ka puka o ka Eurotunnel ma Calais i kapa ʻia ʻo "Eurofencing". Heluhelu wau i ka ʻaoʻao pūnaewele o ka ʻoihana nāna e hana ka pā a me ka ʻōlelo a lākou e hoʻohana ai e wehewehe ai. Hōʻike wale lākou i kona mau ʻano kūlana, ka paʻa o kāna mau mea, pehea maʻalahi e hoʻouka. ʻO ka mea kokoke loa iā lākou e kāhea i kahi kiʻi o ke kanaka e pili ana i ka pā ke wehewehe lākou i ka 'puka' a i ʻole ke ākea ma waena o nā koʻokoʻo hao, no ka liʻiliʻi loa e kiʻi i nā manamana lima a me nā manamana wāwae i ke kūʻai ʻana - no laila ʻaʻole hiki piʻi i luna. Akā he mea pale e pono ai kahi mea i ʻoi aku i ka hana, pono e ninini i kahi hōʻailona. No laila, ʻoiai ke pale kino ʻana i ka poʻe i ke komo ʻana i ke ana, ʻo kāna hana nui ka hana ʻana i kiʻi nona iho. Ma kekahi ʻaoʻao, ma ko mākou ʻaoʻao, ma ke ʻano he poʻe i loaʻa nā passports 'pololei', hana ia i kiʻi o 'kahi mea e hana ʻia' kahi e hoʻonāukiuki ai a hana i kahi kiʻi ʻē aʻe - he racist o nā 'kahawai', 'hordes' a i ʻole 'swarms 'o nā mea mahuka e hele mai ana i ʻEulopa. A ma ka ʻaoʻao ʻē aʻe o ka pā, hana ia i kiʻi o ka hiki ʻole o ka hele ʻana i kēlā ʻaoʻao.
MA: No laila, ʻaʻohe kānalua ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke komo i loko o kēia, he hōʻike lapuwale ia.
SK: ʻAe, a ʻo ke kumu o kēia mau pale ma mua o nā paia no ka mea hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻike ma o ka pā me kahi kāmela palekana. No laila inā ʻoe e hoʻāʻo e hele ma waena, hoʻoweliweli ʻoe i ka ʻike ʻia ʻana e nā mākaʻi a ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke peʻe, ʻoiai inā ʻoe e hoʻokele i kahi kūʻai (ʻo ia kahi huaʻōlelo e kamaʻāina loa mākou me kahi ʻāpana o ke kāmera!) No laila, loaʻa iā ia kēia mau hiʻohiʻona āpau e pili ana i kahi ʻano o ka carceral visibility, a ʻo kāna hana mua ma ke ʻano he mea pale maka. Akā e lilo i kēlā, pono e ʻoi aku i kāna hana e kāohi kino i ka poʻe mai nā ala, kahi ʻano maze o nā paia ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hūnā ma hope. Akā no ka lawelawe ʻana i kēlā hana meta, pono kēia nui o nā pā i hoʻomākeʻaka a lapuwale paha.
MA: I Belfast, ua ʻike pū wau i nā panakō pale a puni ka scaffolding pavement. ʻO kekahi i kikoʻī i koʻu manaʻo, no ka mea he kiʻekiʻe loa ia a hoʻolālā loa ʻia, kapa ʻia ʻo ia ka 'pale pale system'. Ke hana nei kēia 'ʻōnaehana pale' i nā mea ʻelua; ke pale nei i ka poʻe mai ka hele ʻana i ka wanaʻao ʻoi loa a ʻoi loa akā ʻoi aku ka pale ʻana i ke kūlana o ka hale. Ua like ia me kahi ʻāpana o ka paia kūlohelohe, akā he wahi hoʻonui kona o ke kūpaʻa i hiki ke heluhelu ʻia ma ke ʻano he pā akā ʻoi aku kahi mea e hilinaʻi ana i kahi hanana loea e pili ana i ka loiloi. He ʻano maikaʻi ʻino loa ia ma luna o ka hoʻonani o nā mea maikaʻi. ʻO kahi hoʻopau poli a impenetrable i kamaʻilio i kahi papahana ʻē aʻe āpau e pili ana i ka 'pā' aʻu i hālāwai ʻole ai ma mua.
SK: He ʻano like ia me nā pale metala a lākou i kau ai ma nā puka a me nā puka aniani o nā hale hakahaka e hoʻōki i ka neʻe ʻana o nā squatters. Ma kahi papa maʻalahi wale nō, me ka ʻole o ka māwae e hoʻowahāwahā i kahi pahu noho.
MA: ʻAe, ʻaʻole like me ka pā i hoʻonui ʻia, ka pā i wehe ʻole ʻia. Ma laila ua pāhaʻi iaʻu ʻo ka mea i hana ʻia he hana makemake ia e hana i kekahi mea, ʻaʻole e hana pū me ia mea, akā ʻoi aku kahi hana leʻaleʻa i kamaʻilio i kekahi mea o kēlā manawa a me kēlā wahi. Ma o ka hoʻoponopono ʻana i kēlā mau mea i lawe ʻia e ka poʻe i pili ka hoʻoholo ʻana ʻaʻole mamao loa mai kā mākou (mea pena kiʻi) e lawe ai. ʻO kēia e pili ana i ka ʻae ʻana i ka ʻoihana hoʻolālā e huki i kā mākou hana kokoke loa i ka hana o ke alanui. Nui koʻu hoihoi i kēlā; i ke ʻano o ka poʻe e noʻonoʻo ʻole ana ma o nā aniani o nā kiʻi - nā ʻano hana like ʻole a me nā ʻōlelo e pili ana i ka moʻomeheu ʻike - hana i nā mea i ʻike nui ʻia e pili ana i ka hoʻohaunaele ʻana, a pehea e hoʻohui ai a i ʻole lawe ai i kēlā me kēia ola.
SK: ʻAe, a pehea kou manaʻo e hoʻomaopopo ai i kēlā mau hoʻoholo? Manaʻo ʻoe e pili ana i ka leʻaleʻa?
MA: Manaʻo wau aia kekahi mea o kēlā. ʻAe, komo i loko ona. ʻO ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana o nā mea i ka honua kahi ʻano hana a ka hapa nui o ka poʻe e komo pū ai. A i ʻole e hoʻāʻo ana e loaʻa kekahi ʻano ʻoihana i pili i ka honua kino e ʻōlelo i ka honua a mākou e noho nei.
SK: ʻO kahi ʻano hana i hōʻike ʻole ʻia. ʻO ka mea aʻu e ʻōlelo ai, ʻo ia ka wehewehe ākea o ka mea pena kiʻi.
MA: Ae. Manaʻo wau he wehewehe maikaʻi loa kēlā.
ʻO Sam Keogh kahi mea pena kiʻi ma waena o Ladana a me County Wicklow. ʻO kāna hōʻike, 'Knotworm', holo a hiki i 1 Malaki ma ka Center Culturel Irlandais, Paris. ʻO nā hōʻike e hiki mai ana me 'Outer Heaven' ma Southwark Park Galleries, Ladana, i Iune 2020.
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Ua hānau ʻia ʻo Anne Tallentire ma Northern Ireland a noho a hana ma Lādana. Ua loaʻa iā ia nā makanaʻo Paul Hamlyn Foundation no nā Artists 2018 a aia ma ka papa koho no ka 39th EVA International 'Platform Commissions'. E mālama ʻia kahi hōʻike solo nui o nā hana hou ma The MAC ma Belfast mai ʻAukake a Nowemapa 2020.
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Kiʻi hiʻohiʻona: ʻO Anne Tallentire, noiʻi kiʻi, kiʻi ma ka paia studio, A4, e pili ana waena pūnaewele_8 ʻekahi (inoa hana) 2020; mahalo i ka mea pena kiʻi.
